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sure, he said president obama didn't raise taxes, and president obama didn't raise taxes, but really, mitt romney officially thinks that he did. they have done this over and over and over and over again, on big issues like health reform, on small issues like whether he met a guy or not. and it is a ridiculous technique. i mean, think about what this means for the long run. i mean, the romney campaign is training the country to not believe this guy when he is talking. they're training the country to feel that, you know, wherever you hear mitt romney saying something today, don't worry, it doesn't really matter. it is all subject to revision later. long-term, this is a weird technique. it has been a strange political technique from the get-go this year. but mostly, it has worked for them. them correcting the record later on to a smaller audience has mostly worked. so they just keep doing it. and they have kept getting away with it. but now, as of today, they have seemed to have gone too far to get away with it anymore. this is what mitt romney told "the des moines register" editorial bo
sure, he said president obama didn't raise taxes, and president obama didn't raise taxes, but really, mitt romney officially thinks that he did. they have done this over and over and over and over again, on big issues like health reform, on small issues like whether he met a guy or not. and it is a ridiculous technique. i mean, think about what this means for the long run. i mean, the romney campaign is training the country to not believe this guy when he is talking. they're training the...
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and other taxes and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the 47%. the 47%, this nation depends on to build this country. folks, it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. [ cheers and applause ] take some responsibility to help the american people, the middle class. instead of lining up to sign a pledge to a guy named grover in order kwis. >> ezra, i have to say for me one of my favorite moments in the debate was with him pointing out the effective rate romney pays compared to what other people in the real world pay. i'm not sure how many people jumped on that a as their favorite moment but. >> you and me, lawrence. >> but biden is finding more effective ways of isolating that romney tax return 14% number. >> it wasn't just that. biden i thought actually figured out what obama didn't figure out a week before which is how to deal with the ryan/romney ticket on taxes, medicare and social
and other taxes and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the 47%. the 47%, this nation depends on to build this country. folks, it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. [ cheers and applause ] take some responsibility to help the american people, the middle class. instead of lining up to sign a pledge to a guy named...
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massive tax increase. romney cannot defend this plan on its merits, so he simply says i'll negotiate this with congress. it doesn't matter what he negotiates, there's not enough money there. it's a simple matter of arithmetic. but he's being a smooth liar about this. >> is the mathematics policy? can you offset $5 trillion with big deductions by getting rid of them when he said tonight to accomplicer, i'm going to leave the mortgage preference, the charitable preference, what is left? >> first off, you're kind of misquoting what he said. number one, he said it's not a $5 trillion dr. >> 4.8. >> but it is. i don't care what he says, he's lying. it is $5 trillion. >> bob, let me make mire point. >> don't repeat his lie without any evidence. >> i'm not repeating it. the fact you call it a lie, you take that up with him. >> no, he's the one who's lying. >> let me make the point. how does it not -- >> the fact of the matter is he's identified that what he's going to do is limply fill the tax code in a number of
massive tax increase. romney cannot defend this plan on its merits, so he simply says i'll negotiate this with congress. it doesn't matter what he negotiates, there's not enough money there. it's a simple matter of arithmetic. but he's being a smooth liar about this. >> is the mathematics policy? can you offset $5 trillion with big deductions by getting rid of them when he said tonight to accomplicer, i'm going to leave the mortgage preference, the charitable preference, what is left?...
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they have some obligations to society, and yet they are saying, i don't want to be taxed and if i'm taxed, then i'm going to take it out on all of you, that have less job security than you've ever had, whose wages continue to drop, and whose homes not worth 30% less than they were worth before. >> do you think these pressure tactics are going to work on workers? i mean, there is, you know, a fear in the job place in america when bosses act like this. you know, they don't want to lose their job. they saw harry down the street lost his job and their family is having a hard time. that kind of thinking sets in, what the heck, it's just a vote, i'm going to go ahead and do it. what do you think about that? >> it's possible, ed. this is a very, very, very tight election. and even if you have 5% of the workers who are intimidated like this or 3% or 2%, it could make a difference. and with unemployment still high, it's getting better, but unemployment's still high, a lo there's not enough job security out there to guard against this kind of intimidation. >> what do you think about using these bos
they have some obligations to society, and yet they are saying, i don't want to be taxed and if i'm taxed, then i'm going to take it out on all of you, that have less job security than you've ever had, whose wages continue to drop, and whose homes not worth 30% less than they were worth before. >> do you think these pressure tactics are going to work on workers? i mean, there is, you know, a fear in the job place in america when bosses act like this. you know, they don't want to lose...
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. >> you can do that by cutting taxes? >> those are your words, not mine. >> thank you very much, sir. >> that was kind of strange. trying to stuff words in people's mouths? >> it it sounds like you're -- >> ryan folks putting the paper in front of the camera and everything. vice presidential nominee paul ryan getting annoyed in this interview with terry camp in flint, michigan. the campaign even after the interview was over still went out of their way to trash the reporter that paul ryan walked out of that interview on. the campaign given on the record quotes calling the reporter an embarrassment. the city where that reporter works and where that interview took place does have the worst violent crime rate in the nation. so that line of questioning here for mr. ryan was understandable. maybe even predictable. but beyond the newsworthiness of paul ryan getting up and taking off his microphone and ending the interview and beyond the newsworthiness of the campaign going after this reporter, there was what that reporter was ab
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the tax code. what governor romney and what paul ryan have said is let's have a fair flatter simpler more competitive tax code, bring down rates and broaden the base. start to get rid of all the different loopholes and all the different exemptions. and so this is how you can have a tax code again that is fair, flatter, simpler and is revenue neutral, which of course we have now -- there's at least a half dozen economists, economic organizations, who have said this is true. you've had fact checkers with respect to the president's claim that this increases taxers say that's false. it doesn't. so here is the framework and what mitt romney said is i'm willing to work with both sides of the aisle republicans and sdms to get the details right and t president has never worked with republicans. there is no doubt that the president wants to increase taxes on small businesses, the job engine of america. >> i think there's no doubt we just heard a review what have we might hear from paul ryan tonight. congres
the tax code. what governor romney and what paul ryan have said is let's have a fair flatter simpler more competitive tax code, bring down rates and broaden the base. start to get rid of all the different loopholes and all the different exemptions. and so this is how you can have a tax code again that is fair, flatter, simpler and is revenue neutral, which of course we have now -- there's at least a half dozen economists, economic organizations, who have said this is true. you've had fact...
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romney closing the gap in a number of these battleground states, continues to say that the $5 trillion tax cut romney's proposing would add to the deficit and romney insists it is absolutely not true. >> he said if he says it's not true, then it's not true. okay. >> reporter: in battleground ohio, president obama insists mitt romney's tax cut will add $5 trillion to the deficit. >> if it's true that it's not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option and that's asking middle class families to foot bill. >> reporter: the president's charge of a $5 trillion tax cut is obviously inaccurate and wrong. >> reporter: romney also in ohio mocked the obama campaign's mocking his plan to cut funds for pbs. >> big bird. >> big bird. >> big bird. >> he's focused on saving big bird. kind of a strange thing in my view because you see i'm focused on helping the american people get good jobs. >> reporter: sesame's street now asked the obama campaign to pull the big bird ad, yet there are weightier questions here as congress looks in to whether the u.s. was warned of the deadly libya attack. >
romney closing the gap in a number of these battleground states, continues to say that the $5 trillion tax cut romney's proposing would add to the deficit and romney insists it is absolutely not true. >> he said if he says it's not true, then it's not true. okay. >> reporter: in battleground ohio, president obama insists mitt romney's tax cut will add $5 trillion to the deficit. >> if it's true that it's not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option and that's...
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there aren't enough tax loopholes or tax deductions to pay for romney's tax cut unless you cut into home interest mortgage deductions, unless you get rid of state and local taxes. that will hit the middle class hard. you have to be honest about this. the debate hurt obama and helped romney, and romney's gotten a bump in the polls, although it seems to be flattening out. you look at the new poll in ohio, the president is at 51%, romney is at 47%. i think the president, the fundamental structure of the race hasn't been changed, but if he doesn't go on the attack, if biden doesn't do a good job against ryan, and if the president doesn't show up and isn't strong in the second debate, then you're going to have a tossup race. >> well, i would disagree with your approach, first of all. i don't approach it that way. that's going back and relegating all the old arguments. in spirit what i would do, unlike shrumy, i would take the big issue that is separating the candidates, don't get into the little trench warfare about what's your tax plan and where were you on medicare two weeks ago. i would sa
there aren't enough tax loopholes or tax deductions to pay for romney's tax cut unless you cut into home interest mortgage deductions, unless you get rid of state and local taxes. that will hit the middle class hard. you have to be honest about this. the debate hurt obama and helped romney, and romney's gotten a bump in the polls, although it seems to be flattening out. you look at the new poll in ohio, the president is at 51%, romney is at 47%. i think the president, the fundamental structure...
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is a poll tax constitutional or unconstitutional? >> poll tax would be. i don't understand -- that's like saying to drive on a road is a poll tax -- you have to get a license to enter a government building there is a poll tax because you have to show a photo i.d. to get government been pits a poll tax because you have to show i.d. to get those benefits. so -- if that's your standard, a, it is against 70% to 80% of -- >> poll tax only deals with when you are going to the polls. poll tax only deals with -- poll tax really only deals when you are going to the polls. >> i know what a poll tax is. >> driving on a road and getting a lines, that's not a poll tax. going into a government build sing not a poll tax. flying on an airplane and showing your passport is not a poll tax. going to vote and having to prove who you are but having to go out and spend money on getting that i.d. or driving positive miles because you don't have an i.d. place in your town and you have to drive this distance to get one, that is a poll tax. that costs you money. >> as far as i'm a
is a poll tax constitutional or unconstitutional? >> poll tax would be. i don't understand -- that's like saying to drive on a road is a poll tax -- you have to get a license to enter a government building there is a poll tax because you have to show a photo i.d. to get government been pits a poll tax because you have to show i.d. to get those benefits. so -- if that's your standard, a, it is against 70% to 80% of -- >> poll tax only deals with when you are going to the polls. poll...
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. >> at the debate he said he's not going to cut taxes for the wealthy. in the primary he said he's going to cut taxes for everyone. >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans. isn't that a change? >> let me repeat what i said. >> lying, denying and alibiing. >> is that leadership? >> we can't debate the debate. >> the war continues. >> let's move on. >> we are awaiting a major foreign policy address. >> romney boiled down the president's foreign policy to one of hope. >> hope is not a strategy. >> but on actual foreign policy romney's specifics were rather thin. >> i'll support the libyan's people efforts to support a lasting government. >> how about iran? >> prevent them from acquiring nuclear weapons capability. >> that's the same. >> this is the same guy who couldn't even go to the olympics. >> he will say anything, he will do anything. >> his mention of russia. >> without question of number one geopolitical foe. >> there are two kinds of success, initial and ultimate. >> i still believe you in and i hope you still believe in me. i
. >> at the debate he said he's not going to cut taxes for the wealthy. in the primary he said he's going to cut taxes for everyone. >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans. isn't that a change? >> let me repeat what i said. >> lying, denying and alibiing. >> is that leadership? >> we can't debate the debate. >> the war continues. >> let's move on. >> we are awaiting a major foreign policy address. >> romney...
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taxes will have to be raised on the middle class if they succeed in their tax cut. folks, it's time to lift the burden off the middle class, not double-down on the great recession that hit them. >> that's the vice president at his first campaign event since last night's debate. there was another, let's just say intense debate going on last night but it waend biden/ryan. it was a bitter congressional race in california and it took a bizarre turn when both candidates nearly got into a fi physical fight right in front of the voters. let's take a look at this. >> that by the way with howard berman and brad sherman, two democrats in that new california system. they're running against each other in the general election for one seat in a merged district. >> crazy. >> another example of why americans are increasingly frustrated by the way our political system works or didn't work in some cases. our next guest says there's a silver lining, though, we just have to look back a century or so to find. he's the author of "the 100 greatest americans of the 0th century," a social j
taxes will have to be raised on the middle class if they succeed in their tax cut. folks, it's time to lift the burden off the middle class, not double-down on the great recession that hit them. >> that's the vice president at his first campaign event since last night's debate. there was another, let's just say intense debate going on last night but it waend biden/ryan. it was a bitter congressional race in california and it took a bizarre turn when both candidates nearly got into a fi...
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he raised taxes. and when he left office in massachusetts, people somehow forgot he left the people in massachusetts with the largest debt per capita in america. now he says he's going to do good with money by cutting taxes by 20% and spending $2 trillion more on the military and $716 billion, even more than ryan or obama proposed, in medicare. i don't know how he does his math, but somebody ought to buy him a $2 calculator. >> governor schweitzer, great to have you with us. >>> the best thing to help prevent crime in cities is to bring opportunity in the inner cities. teach people good discipline, good character. that is civil society. that's what charities and churches do. >> paul ryan and mitt romney say churches and charities are the only antidote to poverty. >>> another is ordering to vote for mitt romney. we'll read the letter where he admits it. >>> and which tape is a better window into mitt romney's window for america, the denver debate or the 47% tape? ahead, my commentary on why this countr
he raised taxes. and when he left office in massachusetts, people somehow forgot he left the people in massachusetts with the largest debt per capita in america. now he says he's going to do good with money by cutting taxes by 20% and spending $2 trillion more on the military and $716 billion, even more than ryan or obama proposed, in medicare. i don't know how he does his math, but somebody ought to buy him a $2 calculator. >> governor schweitzer, great to have you with us. >>>...
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that's the black tax we have talked about on this show. i want to talk to you about who would be a better role model for your daughter where once again michele obama wins in a landslide and ann romney's a lovely person but we have seen through the last four years michele obama be the sort of amazing role model for american women, intelligent, seriousness, grace. a lot of men read "esquire." what are they seeing about michele obama that's speaking to them through this idea? >> well, there are two ways to look at that question right there. the first is that, of course, michele obama outpolls ann romney. the first lady of the united states. active and visible first lady. you could look at it as a much plainer side by side comparison and twice as many people feel having her as a role model than ann romney. >> richard, one of the questions that interested me is you asked a sort of boot strap question. who had more help in achieving the success and people felt that romney through the wealth and privilege inherited had more assistance versus the
that's the black tax we have talked about on this show. i want to talk to you about who would be a better role model for your daughter where once again michele obama wins in a landslide and ann romney's a lovely person but we have seen through the last four years michele obama be the sort of amazing role model for american women, intelligent, seriousness, grace. a lot of men read "esquire." what are they seeing about michele obama that's speaking to them through this idea? >>...
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i don't have that tax plan i had for the last two years. you going to believe me or your lying eyes here? come on. >> in the final weeks of the campaign, the obama campaign may want to use a little more of the big dog and a little less of big bird, you might say. anyway, msnbc political panelist eugene robinson is with "the washington post" and cynthia turk is visiting. cynthia, it always brings our spirits up seeing bill in action. he finds the joy in it. in that this guy is a bit of a con artist and he's reinvented the whole massachusetts governor for the purpose of 90 minutes. and whenever's anyone's really listening in the big crowd, he reverts to the old bad stuff the minute nobody's looking. >> and chris, he explains all that in terms that people understood. he does it with a smile on his face. he doesn't seem in any way mean or harsh or vindictive. he seems funny, which he is. it's also clear that bill clinton is having a really good time. he enjoys being on the campaign trail. he enjoys politics in a way that i don't think that pres
i don't have that tax plan i had for the last two years. you going to believe me or your lying eyes here? come on. >> in the final weeks of the campaign, the obama campaign may want to use a little more of the big dog and a little less of big bird, you might say. anyway, msnbc political panelist eugene robinson is with "the washington post" and cynthia turk is visiting. cynthia, it always brings our spirits up seeing bill in action. he finds the joy in it. in that this guy is a...
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what $5 trillion tax cut? i don't know anything about a $5 trillion tax cut. pay no attention to that tax cut under the carpet. >> romney's campaign continuing a blitz of ohio today denying that he's a new moderate but here is what he told the des moines register yesterday. when asked about his agenda on abortion. >> there's no legislation regarding -- with regards to abortion i'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda. >> joining me now, "usa today's" washington bureau chief susan page and "time" assistant managing editor. good morning, both of. >> did you good morning. >> susan, romney's statement appeared to be away from the democrats tried use against them and campaign quickly issued a statement saying mitt romney is pro-life. what is going on with the romney message? >> well, i think romney is -- governor romney is definitely trying to pivot to the middle. we were waiting to do this last spring and early summer when he clinched the republican nomination. he's doing it now kind of on the late side. it is the same sort of more centrist message th
what $5 trillion tax cut? i don't know anything about a $5 trillion tax cut. pay no attention to that tax cut under the carpet. >> romney's campaign continuing a blitz of ohio today denying that he's a new moderate but here is what he told the des moines register yesterday. when asked about his agenda on abortion. >> there's no legislation regarding -- with regards to abortion i'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda. >> joining me now, "usa today's"...
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we're going to cut taxes for the rich the most. you would say, that's not what you believe in. it's not what your record has been. why should we -- and so what's been amazing is to watch this battle happen over medicare. and joe biden just reduce it to i think what is the essence, which of these two parties do you really think is going to stand behind medicare in its current form. whatever paul ryan says about we're going to protect you, it's not going to be that bad, just look at the record and the vision and the ideological commitments. i don't think this is disingenuous. the different parties and coalitions have the records. >> that's why biden won. you were saying about shoring up democrats. he reminded them also not only that they could win but why they were democrats and what they were fighting for and the that it's possible to make a strong argument for it. >> for the democratic position? >> yeah. >> i think the emotional argument there is actually quite clever because, i mean, the most soporophic moment of the debate is where paul ryan receded into numbers. he's a bit w
we're going to cut taxes for the rich the most. you would say, that's not what you believe in. it's not what your record has been. why should we -- and so what's been amazing is to watch this battle happen over medicare. and joe biden just reduce it to i think what is the essence, which of these two parties do you really think is going to stand behind medicare in its current form. whatever paul ryan says about we're going to protect you, it's not going to be that bad, just look at the record...
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president, you are right with regards to 97% of the businesses are not taxed at 35% tax rate, it's a lower rate. those businesses, the last 3% happen to employ half, half of all the people who work in small business. >> okay. please respond to that. there is so much nonsense in that little bit of sound. >> first of all, the statistic that it employs half is ridiculous. let's look at it carefully. under that definition of small business, i'm a business. why? because i have written a book. i get royalties. that's business income. mitt romney cuts my taxes. now, i'm not going to hire anyone. this idea that cutting the taxes is going to lead to job growth is absurd. in contrast, the president saying i'm for tax cuts but i am if you actually hire someone. >> my brain was soup as i was trying to sort through all these definitions. the sba, small business administration is trying to define it as a business with 500 people or less. it's not the definition being used here. the definition here is a tax status. in this study. >> this is where the fact is wrong. >> yes. thank you. >> all people
president, you are right with regards to 97% of the businesses are not taxed at 35% tax rate, it's a lower rate. those businesses, the last 3% happen to employ half, half of all the people who work in small business. >> okay. please respond to that. there is so much nonsense in that little bit of sound. >> first of all, the statistic that it employs half is ridiculous. let's look at it carefully. under that definition of small business, i'm a business. why? because i have written a...
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we've seen you move to the middle on taxes saying, okay, i'm not going to cut taxes in a way that's going to raise the deficit. that's my rule. it's a hard, fast rule. he moved to the center on bipartisanship, on israel. i guess the question is, does that make him a more electable? i think it does. or does that make him the etch-a-sketch candidate? what's your read? >> well, i think that in addition to ann romney and his sons, i think there is an extended romney family within the campaign. people who have been with him throughout his career in politics. dating back to when he was governor of massachusetts. and i think they have been clambering for mitt romney to be more mitt romney than this right-wing creation we saw during the primaries, and i think they probably had a family conference at which point they thought, let's stop, you know, you pretending to be someone you're not. you've been doing it for two years, you get the nomination. let's be mitt romney. does it make him more electable? absolutely. >> andrea, i know you will remember this because you were covering it. but i go back t
we've seen you move to the middle on taxes saying, okay, i'm not going to cut taxes in a way that's going to raise the deficit. that's my rule. it's a hard, fast rule. he moved to the center on bipartisanship, on israel. i guess the question is, does that make him a more electable? i think it does. or does that make him the etch-a-sketch candidate? what's your read? >> well, i think that in addition to ann romney and his sons, i think there is an extended romney family within the...
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in the last debate, no, he does not plan a tax cut but he says he plans a tax cut -- a 20% tax cut across the board. there are a number of ways -- i've witnessed once when mitt romney once said he was pro gay adoption. and the very next day he said he was staunchly against it. so, to call someone out on their mistruthings and lies, that's not poor sportsmanship. that's like saying someone who entered a race who was doping and you call them on doping, you know, is guilty of poor sportsmanship. the person who is guilty is the person who is cheating. >> yes, indeed. ken, mr. romney tells wolf blitzer that will be a preference, in his words, for home mortgage deduction and charitable contribution, so to make up for the tax cuts, what ducks will go away? have you found them? >> this has been a great challenge of covering the campaign where there isn't -- >> this is a bigger mystery than the loch ness monster, no one can find them. >> that's one thing democrats will press him on. they've tried with a high degree -- to point out that is not -- the math is not working here, that's one of the thin
in the last debate, no, he does not plan a tax cut but he says he plans a tax cut -- a 20% tax cut across the board. there are a number of ways -- i've witnessed once when mitt romney once said he was pro gay adoption. and the very next day he said he was staunchly against it. so, to call someone out on their mistruthings and lies, that's not poor sportsmanship. that's like saying someone who entered a race who was doping and you call them on doping, you know, is guilty of poor sportsmanship....
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i don't have that tax plan. you want to believe me, your lying eyes here. come on. >> the obama campaign wants to use more of the big dog and less of big bird, you might say. cynthia tucker is from the university of georgia. cynthia, it always brings our spirits up to see bill clinton. he finds that this guy is a bit of a con artist and he's reinvested the old massachusetts governor for the purpose of 90 minutes and reversed to the old bad stuff, the minute that nobody is really looking. >> and, chris, he explains all that in terms that people understand. he does it with a smile on his face. he doesn't seem in any way mean or harsh or vindictive. he seems funny, which is -- it's also clear that bill clinton is having a good time. he enjoys being on the campaign trail. he enjoys politics in a way that i don't think president obama does. and this gives him a great excuse for the first time in four years to be out with political crowds which he loves. and he's having a great time doing it. >> i think that the president doesn't know that there's music in politi
i don't have that tax plan. you want to believe me, your lying eyes here. come on. >> the obama campaign wants to use more of the big dog and less of big bird, you might say. cynthia tucker is from the university of georgia. cynthia, it always brings our spirits up to see bill clinton. he finds that this guy is a bit of a con artist and he's reinvested the old massachusetts governor for the purpose of 90 minutes and reversed to the old bad stuff, the minute that nobody is really looking....
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age 19, travis wolfkill was convicted of stabbing and beating his grandmother to death over a $300 tax refund check. he's currently on appeal but his sentence is life without parole. >> you don't really wrap your mind around it. because i'm not doing time. i'm just living life. it's a life different from out there. we have a lot of the same things in here that you do have out there. it's a little world in here. >> wolfkill devotes much of his time to his religion, satanism. >> i'm in a satanic group here. only about four of us here. it's a small community. >> the thing about satanism, we don't encourage or condone the breaking of laws. one of the biggest misconceptions about satanists is that we worship the devil. we pay homage to lucifer. the truth is, we don't believe in satan, we don't believe in lucifer. he's merely a symbol. who is satan? the original rebel. this actually has all of the teachings in it. this has what's called the 11 satanic rules of the earth. if you look at number nine, it says do not harm little children. number ten says do not kill nonhuman animals unless you a
age 19, travis wolfkill was convicted of stabbing and beating his grandmother to death over a $300 tax refund check. he's currently on appeal but his sentence is life without parole. >> you don't really wrap your mind around it. because i'm not doing time. i'm just living life. it's a life different from out there. we have a lot of the same things in here that you do have out there. it's a little world in here. >> wolfkill devotes much of his time to his religion, satanism. >>...
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>> he said for everybody, across the board. >> on top of the bush tax cuts? >> president obama during the debate said he is the one who is going to raise taxes by letting the bush tax cuts expire. >> but we just played two things back to back that do not match. >> look, he said all look, 20% across the board. i think there were two different things he was speaking about there. he has a very pro-growth policy. he has a policy to create 12 million jobs. >> so are you saying he misspoke in one of those? >> i'm not going to get into whether he misspoke or not -- what i know is he has said all along, 20% across the board for everybody, and that means everybody. to what specifically he was speaking there, i'm not exactly sure. but it's a clear choice what you have. we don't need to get caught up on the back and forth. he is going to put forward pro-growth jobs. and 7.8% is an anemic recovery. that is nothing to celebrate. i remember when president bush was criticized by president obama when i worked for him -- >> but for the past four years, republican have said sa
>> he said for everybody, across the board. >> on top of the bush tax cuts? >> president obama during the debate said he is the one who is going to raise taxes by letting the bush tax cuts expire. >> but we just played two things back to back that do not match. >> look, he said all look, 20% across the board. i think there were two different things he was speaking about there. he has a very pro-growth policy. he has a policy to create 12 million jobs. >> so...
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i don't have that tax plan i had for the last two years. you going to believe me or your lying eyes here, come on. >> former house speaker and illinois republican dennis hastert, who's a romney supporter. good morning. >> good morning. >> i want to ask about the comments that president clinton made moderate mitt do you believe that romney has tacked to the center over the last few weeks? >> i think he wants to be president of 100% of all of the people in the united states. he has to address concerns to more moderate people that he has that sensitivity. i think he proved that as governor of massachusetts. >> do you think he had waited too long to do that? >> that's the way we have to go. and i looked at what he did in massachusetts. he went across the aisle, went with the legislature that was 87% democrat and got things done. and i think he has to prove that to the american people, i think if he's going to win, he's got the republicans. if he has to win the middle. and he has to go out and talk about how he can bring this country together an
i don't have that tax plan i had for the last two years. you going to believe me or your lying eyes here, come on. >> former house speaker and illinois republican dennis hastert, who's a romney supporter. good morning. >> good morning. >> i want to ask about the comments that president clinton made moderate mitt do you believe that romney has tacked to the center over the last few weeks? >> i think he wants to be president of 100% of all of the people in the united...
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i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers, i think we need more of them. i mean, look, don't believe me, speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> well, one thing i have been saying about the campaign is the president needs surrogates out there, he needs confederates, people out there. i love charleston. a lot of people -- rather charlotte because in charlotte you heard an entire political party speaking led by people like deval patrick, the governor of massachusetts, after you saw mr. mayor. i think it sounds better when it's a serenade than when it's a solo. what do you think about that? because the other guy has these terrible attack dogs out there, people like trump pitching the birerrism nonsense, sununu talking about being lazy. you got priebus and his nonsense about him being from europe and foreign and newt saying terrible things not to mention jack welch trying
i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers, i think we need more of them. i mean, look, don't believe me, speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> well, one thing i have been saying about the campaign is the president needs surrogates out there, he needs confederates, people...
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i don't have that tax plan i had for the last two years. you going to believe me or your lying eyes here? come on. >> the national gallup tracking poll of likely voters shows the presidential race even now at 48%. and tonight nate silver's forecasted that obama will win 294 electoral college votes and mitt romney will win 245. and president obama has a 68% chance of winning the election. it seems like 24 hours ago when we first heard mitt romney say that line yesterday, there's no legislation with regards to abortion that i am familiar with that would become part of my agenda. so many questions in there. you mean you're not familiar with it? and then here's his spokesperson today saying absolutely, he will sign -- as we said last night -- he will sign any legislation that a republican congress hands him on this. >> yeah. i think we've just discovered, lawrence, how long the leash around mitt romney extends. and just where it snaps and where it -- where that is is with social conservatives. it was funny because andrea saul, his spokesperson,
i don't have that tax plan i had for the last two years. you going to believe me or your lying eyes here? come on. >> the national gallup tracking poll of likely voters shows the presidential race even now at 48%. and tonight nate silver's forecasted that obama will win 294 electoral college votes and mitt romney will win 245. and president obama has a 68% chance of winning the election. it seems like 24 hours ago when we first heard mitt romney say that line yesterday, there's no...
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he was exposed for lying on the tax plan. he was exposed for lying on medicare. he was exposed to somebody that wants to privatize social security. he was exposed as a ticket that is politicalizing a tragedy in the middle east. the vice president called him out. i was so proud of him. >> some are saying the one weak point was the response to the initial question on libya. >> they sent the u.n. ambassador out to say this is because of a protest and youtube video. >> that is exactly what we were told by intelligence community. >> by who? >> the intelligence community told us that as they learned more facts about exactly what happened. they changed their assessment. >> joe scarborough this morning, as well as in "the daily standard," they said this that biden throws the intelligence community under the bus. what's your thought here? was the vice president not aware of the congressional testimony that happened on tuesday? the full tick tock that had come out? it didn't sync with his answer, necessarily. >> i think there will be more to be said on this today. i'm not
he was exposed for lying on the tax plan. he was exposed for lying on medicare. he was exposed to somebody that wants to privatize social security. he was exposed as a ticket that is politicalizing a tragedy in the middle east. the vice president called him out. i was so proud of him. >> some are saying the one weak point was the response to the initial question on libya. >> they sent the u.n. ambassador out to say this is because of a protest and youtube video. >> that is...
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they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. they are elderly people who are, in fact, living off social security. they're veterans and people fighting in afghanistan right now who are, quote, not paying any taxes. i've had it up to here with with this notion that 47% of -- it's about time they take some responsibility here. instead of signing pledges to grover norquist not to ask the wealthiest among us not to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge saying to the middle class, we're going to level the playing field. >> that issue of taxes and which side wants to raise them and which side wants to cut them and on whom, that sparked one of the more spirited moments in tonight's debate. >> there aren't enough rich people in small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending. the next time you hear them say, don't ware aboutorry about it, a few people to pay their share, watch out. they're coming for you. you can preserve these important preferences. >> it has never been done before. >> it's be
they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. they are elderly people who are, in fact, living off social security. they're veterans and people fighting in afghanistan right now who are, quote, not paying any taxes. i've had it up to here with with this notion that 47% of -- it's about time they take some responsibility here. instead of signing pledges to grover norquist not to ask the wealthiest among us not to contribute to bring back the middle class, they...
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hitting mitt romney on his tax plan. take a listen. >> you paid 14% in federal taxes. that's the capital gains rate. is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than you did? so you think it is fair. >> yeah. i think it's the right way to encourage economic growth. >> lower tax rates for him, then us. is that the way to grow america? >> well, expect that one seen on a tv screen near you especially if you're in a swing state. from mitt romney and the gop meanwhile a new ad strategy. the "new york post" says romney and his colleagues are looking at a high rate high media strategy. pro romney ad buys double and even tripled in some key swing states this week. >>> later today paul ryan wrapped up a campaign rally just a few short hours ago. he echoed a theme we heard in the debate friday night. >> the president had his chance. he had his choices. he came in with one-party rule. able to do everything on his own choosing. and just look at where we are now. 23 million americans are struggling for work today. in fact, since the president was elected, for e
hitting mitt romney on his tax plan. take a listen. >> you paid 14% in federal taxes. that's the capital gains rate. is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than you did? so you think it is fair. >> yeah. i think it's the right way to encourage economic growth. >> lower tax rates for him, then us. is that the way to grow america? >> well, expect that one seen on a tv screen near you especially if you're in a swing state. from mitt romney and the...
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i don't pledge to raise or cut taxes on the wealthy in this country. i love teachers. you know, i think we should have more of them. a whopolicy positions that disappeared instantaneously on that stage. i have no doubt, though, that president obama and vice president biden understand now that we're dealing with a guy that looks a lot like mndz romney and sounds like mitt romney, but we have mitt romney who believes that we ought to cut taxes on the wealthy as a way to prop up and drive economic growth, and that's his single economic theory, and we've got a guy who believes that we should be cutting teachers, not hiring more of them to invest in growth. >> robert, it's willie. it's good to see you this morning. >> hey, willie. >> i hope you can promise the american people and obama supporters that gene chizik won't be involved in the debate prep for the next debate. >> did joe put you up to that? >> that was all me, robert. >> please call joe scarborough and tell him to quit going negative. >> robert, i'm right here. >> we have a big game against vandy coming up, willie
i don't pledge to raise or cut taxes on the wealthy in this country. i love teachers. you know, i think we should have more of them. a whopolicy positions that disappeared instantaneously on that stage. i have no doubt, though, that president obama and vice president biden understand now that we're dealing with a guy that looks a lot like mndz romney and sounds like mitt romney, but we have mitt romney who believes that we ought to cut taxes on the wealthy as a way to prop up and drive economic...
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tax cuts. a guy who says we shouldn't be having mission creep in libya but wants mission creep in syria. he's been on all sides of the issues. >> that's just in the last week. >> the president needs to just say these things, it's not obvious to people watching on tv. when you're in a debate it's helpful to talk about it at that time rather than in the rallies afterwards. the jobs question is very interesting. he's trying to convince people in ohio where the unemployment rate is lower than the national average, which already is coming down -- >> in a place where the president's plan to save the auto industry actually protected many jobs. >> so in the face of all the evidence around them, and you can argue about economic statistics as much as you like, but people know their own economy and their own lives. he's trying to put against that by saying there are joshs in the ground we will dig up presumagely by pulling away from environmental regulations. he's talking really about fracking. that's his
tax cuts. a guy who says we shouldn't be having mission creep in libya but wants mission creep in syria. he's been on all sides of the issues. >> that's just in the last week. >> the president needs to just say these things, it's not obvious to people watching on tv. when you're in a debate it's helpful to talk about it at that time rather than in the rallies afterwards. the jobs question is very interesting. he's trying to convince people in ohio where the unemployment rate is...
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. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. what i've said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan. now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big, bold idea is never mind. >> all right. what what's the deal here? >> this is a complicated one. we have from the romney campaign a plan that has been analyzed by an independent group that said it would lead to around $450 billion a year in revenue that's cut from the -- revenue that's not there as a result of these taxes. the obama campaign has then taken this and extrapolated it over ten years, and they have arrived at $5 trillion. well, ten years times $450 billion doesn't get us to $5 trillion. so that's not quite right. but what is true is that the romney campaign, governor romney himself, has not explained what they're going to do to make sure that this is revenue neutral, as he said. he says, and the campaign says, that the
. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. what i've said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan. now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big, bold idea is never mind. >> all right. what what's the deal here? >> this is a complicated one. we have from the romney campaign a plan that has been analyzed by an...
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you have refused, and, again, to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20% across the board tax cut. do you actually have the specifics, or are you still working on it and that's why you won't tell voters? >> and when he wouldn't give her the specifics she followed up by saying, okay, no specifics. by knowing what she was talking about particularly on foreign policy but essentially the whole night and by interrupting judicially and ab libbing appropriate follow-up questions martha raddatz covered a lot of ground that did not get touched if last week's debate, that has not been touched in the campaign much at all really and importantly helped expose some big blank spots on the policy map for the challenging party in this presidential race which before last night had been able to get away with zero specifics on anything they did not want to be specific about. so last night paul ryan either had to give specifics or we finally, finally got a giant national spotlight shining on the fact that he had no specifics to offer. that's why this debate was awesome. that's why this debate went fas
you have refused, and, again, to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20% across the board tax cut. do you actually have the specifics, or are you still working on it and that's why you won't tell voters? >> and when he wouldn't give her the specifics she followed up by saying, okay, no specifics. by knowing what she was talking about particularly on foreign policy but essentially the whole night and by interrupting judicially and ab libbing appropriate follow-up questions martha...
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going back to this issue of his taxes not only has he not released his tax returns, as many presidential candidates have in the past, of course, but he's effectively paid a 14% rate on his taxes, and that is something that is a lower rate paid on investment income. let's have a listen to a little bit of that ad. >> you've paid 14% in federal taxes. that's the capital gains rate. is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than you did? so you think it is fair? >> yeah, i think it's -- it's the right way you encourage economic growth. >> lower tax rates for him than us. is that the way to grow america? >> and so it goes, alex. the president leaving the white house just a little later this morning. >> mike viqueira, thank you very much. while the gop ticket is crisscrossing the crucial battleground state of ohio again today and mitt romney will be holding two events. one in portsmouth, another in lebanon. in hours paul ryan holds his rally in youngstown. that is where we find nbc's ron mott live at youngstown state university. we know that the campaign is making a very
going back to this issue of his taxes not only has he not released his tax returns, as many presidential candidates have in the past, of course, but he's effectively paid a 14% rate on his taxes, and that is something that is a lower rate paid on investment income. let's have a listen to a little bit of that ad. >> you've paid 14% in federal taxes. that's the capital gains rate. is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than you did? so you think it is fair?...
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will it be about the changes in position on the 47% and on taxes and on other things? also, the brainwashing has occurred over a period of time. he didn't just fundamentally come out yesterday and chuck everything. he was evolving towards these new positions, which may continue to evolve. for obama to go after him on this, it's like nailing jell-o to the wall. it's not an easy task for obama, because not exactly sure where he's criticizincriticizing. i don't think it opens up a clear line of aattack and i don't think americans pay a lot of attention to foreign policy. >> dana millbank, thanks. see you soon. what this means for the other names on the ballot. it's in the spin as "the cycle" runs on for today, tuesday, october 9th. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they help save you up to th
will it be about the changes in position on the 47% and on taxes and on other things? also, the brainwashing has occurred over a period of time. he didn't just fundamentally come out yesterday and chuck everything. he was evolving towards these new positions, which may continue to evolve. for obama to go after him on this, it's like nailing jell-o to the wall. it's not an easy task for obama, because not exactly sure where he's criticizincriticizing. i don't think it opens up a clear line of...
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was being interviewed in detroit when he objected to the reporter's question about gun violence and taxes. and then the interview came to an abrupt end. take a look. >> those are yours, not mine. >> thank you very much, sir. >> that was kind of strange. stuff words in people's mouth? >> he said he responded as anyone would in such a strange situation. also in michigan, paul ryan and kid rock got a loud welcome from thousands at oakland university. kid rock urged everyone to vote and ryan said the gop ticket would win in michigan. clueless actress stacy dash sent a tweet of herself with an american flag endorsing mitt romney as the only choice for the future. well that prompted a twitter explosion criticizing a black woman's support for mitt romney. >> and mr. romney may be worried about questions from children about his plans to cut funding for big bird and sesame street. the republican candidate has decided to skip nickelodeon's the kids pick the president special. the producer says that decision dissed children. president obama will be talking directly to the kids for the special. and t
was being interviewed in detroit when he objected to the reporter's question about gun violence and taxes. and then the interview came to an abrupt end. take a look. >> those are yours, not mine. >> thank you very much, sir. >> that was kind of strange. stuff words in people's mouth? >> he said he responded as anyone would in such a strange situation. also in michigan, paul ryan and kid rock got a loud welcome from thousands at oakland university. kid rock urged everyone...
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they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. i've had it up to here with this notion that 47% -- it's about time they take some responsibility here. and instead of signing pledges to grover norquist not to ask the wealthiest among us to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge saying to the middle class, we're going to level the playing field. >> mitt romney is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. and with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. >> some great moments last night. welcome back to "morning joe." a live look at the white house as the sun comes up over washington. mark mckinnon's still with us. and joining us on set, nbc news's tom brokaw and moderator of "meet the press," david gregory. gentlemen, good to have you on board this hour. >> good morning. >> wow! where do we begin? what a great night. >> how about david grinning like a c
they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. i've had it up to here with this notion that 47% -- it's about time they take some responsibility here. and instead of signing pledges to grover norquist not to ask the wealthiest among us to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge saying to the middle class, we're going to level the playing field. >> mitt romney is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this...
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focus on the demand side and more focused on tax fairness. a real decision for obama to make if he's re-elected. >> right. one of the big mistakes that the obama administration says, they didn't have enough of the private sector organization. the one way i would propose to deal with that is put in someone like larry fink. people will scream, oh, my god, wall street. someone who's actually been in the trenches hiring and firing. you need somebody who's done that. >> speaking of the trenches, when you redo this game can you make it a foreign policy so we can do risk and attack on the country. >> thank you very much. up next, if you've ever wanted to see steve kornacki in high school, just wait. [ chuckles ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ male announcer ] now you'll know when to stop. [ honk! ] the all-new nissan altima with easy fill tire alert. [ honk! ] it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪ innovation that excites. and every day since, two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to t
focus on the demand side and more focused on tax fairness. a real decision for obama to make if he's re-elected. >> right. one of the big mistakes that the obama administration says, they didn't have enough of the private sector organization. the one way i would propose to deal with that is put in someone like larry fink. people will scream, oh, my god, wall street. someone who's actually been in the trenches hiring and firing. you need somebody who's done that. >> speaking of the...
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what tax approach do you think could be negotiated in the lame duck? >> you know, we've had deadlock for two years and it's been on the revenue side, not on the cutting side. we always seem to agree on various cuts to make, whether on the domestic discretionary programs like education or highways or on the entitlement programs, but we never seem to agree on revenues. i think one of the major stumbling blocks which i've pointed out people have bought on to the theory as part of deficit reduction we ought to lower the top rate on the highest income people. you lose a ton of revenue there and you can't make it up unless you squeeze the middle class. so if you're going to start out by saying the first thing we do is lower the rate from say 35 to 28 as simpson-bowles does or 25 as ryan does it's virtually impossible do deficit reduction without hurting the middle class. my suggestion intended to break this deadlock, this gridlock we've had on getting a budget deal for the last year and a half, let's get off this thing that the first thing we do is say we're
what tax approach do you think could be negotiated in the lame duck? >> you know, we've had deadlock for two years and it's been on the revenue side, not on the cutting side. we always seem to agree on various cuts to make, whether on the domestic discretionary programs like education or highways or on the entitlement programs, but we never seem to agree on revenues. i think one of the major stumbling blocks which i've pointed out people have bought on to the theory as part of deficit...
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so, i can give you gain without pain, and he wants you to have pain today for someone else's tax gains. it's a hard case to make now. >> all right, so your book, though, examines the winners, the losers of the last 60 years of presidential campaigns. at this point in time, what are your predictions for what we see coming up next month? >> well, i see now -- romney did more than i thought he could in the first debate. his big job was to get people to say maybe there's more to him than i thought, and he immediately brought back the uncomfortable republicans, but he also opened everybody else's eyes. and it wasn't just the untruths he may have told. he also said some truths that are very powerful, and one of them was i can work with democrats and i've proved that in massachusetts and you can't work with republicans. now, there's a reason, there's a difference between flexible democrats and rigid republicans, but he has to find a way to make the case that he can keep and get more done than mitt romney, and that mitt romney is really the original release or release two, not the new mitt rom
so, i can give you gain without pain, and he wants you to have pain today for someone else's tax gains. it's a hard case to make now. >> all right, so your book, though, examines the winners, the losers of the last 60 years of presidential campaigns. at this point in time, what are your predictions for what we see coming up next month? >> well, i see now -- romney did more than i thought he could in the first debate. his big job was to get people to say maybe there's more to him...
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with a big tax cut? >> those are your words, not mine, thank you very much sir. >> that was kind of strange. >> the campaign that was michael steele the press secretary was putting a white paper in front of the camera. the reporter knew he was already well over the allotted time to the interview when he decided to ask a weird question. ryan spongded as anyone would in such a situation, when you do nearly 12 hung interviews in a couple of months, eventually you're going to see a local reporter embarrass himself. >>> romney will take questions on thursday night at the winter green resort in virginia where he even did debate prep on an indoor tennis court we're told. he's in florida for more debate prep. >> joe biden is one of the best debaters we have seen in modern politics, he's been doing this 40 years, he ran for president twice and for vice president. this is my first time on a substantial stage. >> ryan is reviewing biden's 2004 debate with sarah palin. on monday ryan attacked what he says is the dem
with a big tax cut? >> those are your words, not mine, thank you very much sir. >> that was kind of strange. >> the campaign that was michael steele the press secretary was putting a white paper in front of the camera. the reporter knew he was already well over the allotted time to the interview when he decided to ask a weird question. ryan spongded as anyone would in such a situation, when you do nearly 12 hung interviews in a couple of months, eventually you're going to see...
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lower taxes are responsible for that. and the obama administration has lowered taxes consistently. it's brought in less revenue. >> let's look at the question about the dow jones average. it's fascinating. this president has been seen as being hostile to wall street. wall street believes that wall street has been treated badly. you look at these numbers, and you have to ask that bill clinton question, are you going to believe me or your liein' eyes? >> the fact is that the dow did take a small dump right before obama became president. >> that's one way to put it. >> so he is a beneficiary of this massive rise. >> i now can see it. >> we've got to introduce to you bill karins, but go ahead. >> the dow was way, way down when obama took office. and it has basically doubled during his tenure. the fact is a lot of americans were not invested in it. a lot of americans pulled their money out of their mutual funds. they're either sitting on the sidelines or sitting in bonds. >> mark halhalperin, i'm sure wl hear a lot of this tonight. the question, are you better off now than you were four
lower taxes are responsible for that. and the obama administration has lowered taxes consistently. it's brought in less revenue. >> let's look at the question about the dow jones average. it's fascinating. this president has been seen as being hostile to wall street. wall street believes that wall street has been treated badly. you look at these numbers, and you have to ask that bill clinton question, are you going to believe me or your liein' eyes? >> the fact is that the dow did...